JL: This hand printed T-shirt was done by Kazuki, and is a real one-off, which is why I love it more, so that's more what I'm into at the moment. I could eat my words in 10 years time, but I don't have any desire for it. In the same way as Mo' Wax - I never really had the desire for it to become this massive multi-national corporation. For me at this point in my life, if I can do the things that I like doing, and earn a living which allows me to be involved... I don't have any desire to be where Pharell or those types of people are - it's not really where I'm at. I think the way James Jebbia has done it, or Silas has done it is slightly more interesting for me. It's different with music, as I'd like to sell 20 million records if I could but I don't see that as such an individualist thing. JL: Whereas walking down the street - the difference is, when we were kids, if you wore the kind of clothes we are wearing now you'd probably be into hip-hop or funk or skateboarding, and that was it. Now you could be into whatever, it doesn't have to be that specific. It's not like a uniform say if you wore a biker's leather, you were a Rocker or a Goth ? Yeah and I think it's important for youth culture to have that - I think there's a period in life when it's important to be obsessive about something, and then it's important to open your mind and learn about other things. It's the kind of educational process in life.